Friday, June 6, 2008

20%! You don't just give them 20%!

For full effect, reread the topic title aloud while doing your best George Costanza impression.

So I ran across the folowing article on MSN: http://men.msn.com/articlees.aspx?cp-documentid=6273622. It's entitled "Things a Man Should Never Do in the Company of a Woman". I scanned down the list and came across this gem: "Tip less than 20%". I was outraged. This was an overreaction, but it's beside the point and I'll get to that later. I bring this up with my buddy Greg, a friend of the blog. He says he always tips 20%. Many of his friends do too. Apparently, 20% is the new 15%. I tell him this is ridiculous. 15% is a standard tip for ordinary service; 20% is for excellent service.

I knew Greg couldn't be right. How did I know this? Because I've been at restaurants all the time that apply an automatic gratuity of 18% if the party is 6 or more people. Since a party of 6 or more is obviously more trouble for a waiter/waitress, logically it should follow that a less than 18% tip is perfectly acceptable for smaller parties. Sometimes logic just isn't good enough for people, so I set out to settle this debate the best way I knew how:

Wikipedia.

And here's what the Big W came up with:

"Today 15 to 20 % (before tax for good to excellent service) is apparently now the norm. According to Fodor's: At restaurants, a 15% tip is typical for waiters; up to 20% may be expected by some waiters at more expensive establishments.
Many restaurants include a tip at 18% or more on the bill for groups of 6 or more guests."

Seems like game, set, match to me. But Greg takes the first sentence to include 20% as part of the norm. This is true enough, but he ignores the fact that the big W clearly says that 15% is still a normal tip, and more importanly ignores context. To me, it's clear that in the context of those three sentences, 20% could be the norm at fancier restaurants or for excellent service, but 15% is still the standard for normal service at your run of the mill diner, pizzeria, or Friday's.

Still a little irked that I have not definitively won the debate, I turn to the best conglomerate of useless knowledge I know: Teh Vesti. By this time, I had given the topic of tipping etiquette considerable thought, and revised by initial definition of what constitutes a standard tip. 15% is still the default, but several circumstances could warrant a higher tip. 16-19% is for good service (with 18% often being the default for large groups). 20% and up is for excellent service, fancy restaurants, or if you're trying to impress a woman.

This is why I say I initially overreacted to the MSN article. I still think the article is wrong, because it talks in absolutes. It says you should never let a woman see you tip less than 20%. This is just flat out wrong. If you're dining with a girl you've been dating for a while, or friends, family or coworkers, the normal rules of tipping should apply. But if you're just starting to date a woman, it's probably a good idea not to skimp on the tip. So I gave my revised idea of tipping etiquette to the vesti. I admit this was a bit unfair to Greg because I didn't give him a chance to rebut my modified theory. But I don't feel too bad, because he was contending that 20% had become the standard tip, and I was still contending that this notion was preposterous. You can see the results for yourself here: http://boards.ign.com/Message.aspx?topic=164941578&brd=5296&replies=23. Most people's conception seemed to be more in line with mine, but a few people did agree with Greg.

I haven't gotten a concession call from Greg yet, but I'm preemptively giving myself a win in the first ever Blog Wars.

BigMike 1, Greg 0.

O, and Crazy, I know how you might be tempted to respond, but those jokes are just too easy and beneath what I want this blog to be.

13 comments:

Greg said...

i consider you a cheap person if you don't tip 20%, nothing personal but that's just how i was brought up (family, friends, etc).

on a personal note big, you are a cheap person, because you don't tip 20% and you continually eat your roommates food without admission, apology, or restitution.

greg 2, big 1.

BigMike said...

First, I almost always tip 18%, which I was raised to believe, and many people seem to agree with me, is a good tip. If you ever remember me pulling out my cell phone to figure out the tip, I was always putting in 18%. Also, we frequently used the tipping practice of tripling the tax, which in CT is 6% (x3=18). I never objected to this. So get your facts straight.

Also, your last point is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with being generous or stingy and everything to do with roommate ettiquette. I never took food because I didn't want to spend money. I took it because I was drunk or hungry, plus it was hilarious. You guys always way overreacted about that and made it a much bigger deal than it should have been. When you bring food or beer into a college dorm or house with other guy roommates, you're running the risk that someone else is going to take it. It has nothing to do with being cheap, it's just how college guys are. This is constantly made fun of in countless movies, TV shows, and Super Bowl commercials.

Oh, and this isn't your blog. You don't get to keep score.

BigMike said...

Also Greg, I was raised to be careful with money and not wasteful. For a college student, tipping 20% as a rule is careless, wasteful, and unnecessary. No wonder the savings rate in this country is negative and people are in ridiculous debt. People are reckless with their money.

Greg said...

yeah when you bring food into someone elses dorm room or TH then its expected that it'll probably be gone. But it should be perfectly safe IN YOUR OWN HOUSE. and if you're drunk and you happen to eat something that isn't yours, you replace it in a timely fashion because its a sign of respect and it's courteous. much like tipping 20%. and curiously you do neither of these things.

/argument.

BigMike said...

Basically Greg, your argument is a big red herring. You're not addressing the issue of tipping ettiquette, and instead trying to change the topic to roommate courtesy.

BigMike said...

Greg, you're also failing to address the FACT that MOST sources and people are on my side. Since my idea of tipping, which happens to be in line with the majority's, doesn't happen to be in line with yours, I'm cheap? How does that make sense? You're just wasteful with your money.

Greg said...
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Greg said...

Well, i found a video interview of frequent restaurant go-er's and the consensus seems to be 20%, which i had originally contended.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

BigMike said...

Well played, Saam. I admit clicking that made me a bit nervous.

Greg said...

< takes a bow >

i might have lost the battle, but i'll never stop being funny.

Anonymous said...

Let's settle this by asking Mrs. Smith what percent she averages at Hooters

Greg said...

by mrs smith, do you mean emily hudak-smith or the mom of big mike?

Crazy said...

I am truly hurt that you would think my humor isnt "highbrow" enough for our blog Michael... to that i say i am extremely "tnloppasid"... big knows what i mean